| Archive for Dr. Grabow Pipes "America's One and Only" |
| Dave |
Another Ebay winJust won this one on EbayNot sure about the age looks like it might be in decent shape according to the seller it has the numbers 9767 on it For what I paid I cant go wrong lol Anyone have any ideas on the age http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....RK:MEWNX:IT&item=170326058968 |
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| drbridges |
Dave, the description & pix don't give much info, but I believe Linkman's DG DELUXE 9700 series are pre-1944. The TRUGRAIN & SELECT GRAIN I'm less sure about.
This one should have a propeller & shield emblem with a screw thread and 2-hole scoop cleaner. If not, then post a better desciption & photo when you can. |
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| Dave |
I just won it this morning as soon as I can get it I will try to post some pics
It looked as if it could be an old one I thought maybe with the Pat number #1386800 might give someone an idea of the approx age |
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| drbridges |
The actual patent is #1896800. It dates from 1932-33. It was Linkman's patent for the screw threaded joint and cleaner, and he stamped the patent no. on most of his DG pipes.
We can debate whether it was this patent, or the pre-smoking idea, that was Linkman's foundation idea for the new DG pipe. Or maybe it was both. However in Linkman's various filings with the US Patent and Trademark Office - he claimed Dr. Grabow as a trademark began in 1930, while he also claimed Pre-Smoked began in 1937. I guess that doesn't mean he wasn't pre-smoking his first DG pipes. It may mean he didn't call them "pre-smoked" until 1937. But we know the patent #1896800 date. |
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| ozark southpaw |
$1.04 ??Can't beat that with a stick!! | ||
| Dave |
Thank you drbridges that's good information to know | ||
| ted |
Wonderful catch Dave...ted | ||
| Dave |
I got this one in this morning
It is a linkmans On the left shank it has Linkmans and Dr Grabow in capitalized script on the right shank it says 9767 and below that Delux in script on top of the shank are two siver dots running down the shank The stem has the propeller Sorry no pics my camera stopped working yesterday I will have to buy another The pipe is in great shape just needs a cleaning |
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| drbridges |
Dave, I've not figured out what the various shank stamps Linkman used on his DG pipes might mean. Mac has some ideas about it. The shield is most common, but I've also seen 2 silver dots, or a single gold ring. I believe Mac feels there is a chronology behind these shank stamps, with one being used for a period of time, and later another. So far as we can tell, Linkman had a single price for the DG DELUXE ($1.50), so we don't believe they indicate a difference in briar and finish quality. I've guessed these shank stamps might indicate different sources of briar, or different customers for distribution. Your guesses are welcomed. Hopefully Mac will have a chance to wade in on this before it fades into history. |
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| Dave |
I did a search on the net and found some of the colossals made by Linkman were made by Cellini
maybe thats the difference different marks for different companys that made them This is just a wild guess and am probably wrong http://www.pipephil.eu/logos/logo-c3.html#colossals http://www.pipephil.eu/logos/logo-l2.html |
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| LokoMac8 |
DeLuxe SHANK Markings
Just getting my first time in about a month on this rainy day to check in on the DGCF -- and that may get interrupted with a call to go to work. In our Dr. Grabow research we have very little to go on, especially in dating, aside from advertisements and the occasional postmarked envelope containing a Grabow pipe or paper info. Where can we start on this limited subject without going off on a tangent, or including a lengthy amount of boring detail? Well, as to this particular subject, let's just start here: IN THE BEGINNING . . . there was only the model known as the Dr. Grabow with no other name. Shortly thereafter arose the Dr. Grabow DeLuxe, which was the only FEATURED Grabow line, HOWEVER, as early as 1936-37 there WAS a Dr. Grabow SPECIAL as well as a Dr. Grabow VENTILATOR, the latter of which seems to have existed for some time, although I never saw an ad for one. The SPECIAL seems to have also existed for some time, but again, little to no early advertising for them and I think DRB and I have both speculated at some time or another that they may have been involved as a special offer type thing. The SPECIAL may have also been called a "DOLLAR Dr. Grabow", but I have never seen one marked as such. So much mystery still lingers! As to the DELUXE itself, I have guessed that the shank markings, in order, are the METAL CIRCLE, then the TWO METAL DOTS and finally, the STAMPED SHIELD. The overall "quality" of the pipes seems to follow that, with the earliest being the best, then a little less on the "two dots", and finally the "shield". Now, perhaps "quality" isn't quite the term I am looking for, but shall we say, the overall appearance of HOW MUCH WORK AND CRAFTMANSHIP WENT INTO THE PIPE, with an obvious "cheapening" through these periods. Unfortunately, I have no specific dates for these different shank treatments. The first magazine ad I have is dated October 13th, 1941 and the few newspaper ads I have before that time are very poor quality as to not allow much detail to be seen in the illustrations of the pipes. In all cases, the pipes pictured are not really photographs, but artwork, and as such, one must consider either artist's omission or license in changing or not recording details. The SHIELD is the only shank emblem that I really have recorded "evidence" of, and that first showing up lcearly in an ad from Occtober 1943. This shield stamping may have started about the same time as metal got scarce and the fitments went to plastic, but I actually think it may go back to at least 1941. The last ad I have where the DeLuxe is featured in a picture and the shield can be made out is dated December 1946. I have a feeling that is was phased out by 1947 when there was a logo change. I wish I could better date the other shank treatments, but at this point, there just hasn't been enough concrete "evidence" turn up to help. At that point, one must rely on the CLEANER (stinger) type, and again, pinning down a date for the changes is again elusive. Maybe through this discussion, and other DGCF members examining their pipes and their collectibles, we can further pin down the times for some of these changes. In my collection, by "population" so to speak, I have many more DeLuxes with SHIELDS and without any shank treatment (maybe some earlier, some later) than with circles or dots, and then far more with circles than dots. The "Two Dots", as far as what I've seen, seem to be a bit more "rare" than the others. --RJ-- METAL CIRCLE: 
TWO METAL DOTS: 
STAMPED SHIELD EMBLEM: 
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