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Spadefan

Lets see your Eldorados

Lets see your Eldorados

From my notes from various forum posts mostly from TED and ED:  Eldorado was made from the very best of the stummels that were turned in the Briarshop. These bowls were "A" quality which means they were "clean", no imperfections, and 100% grained.  They, along with Viscount, Starfire, Golden, and Westbrook were most always worked on by the best employees at each job. Inspection standards were the toughest, and nothing but perfect made it through.   The main difference was in "Bowl Tripol". After staining bowls looked red, mottled, and ugly. The best employees would polish them on an 24 inch buffing wheel till the color and finish suited HIM. We used a liquid cutting compound CL-4. (Don't remember anything else about it). Bits were tripoled using a harder "bar" compound.  I think, in the early days (pre-66') they were buffed with carnauba wax, and no lacquer. During my time, I think they had a light coat of special lacquer. As I always say  shelf life was most important and lacquer gave that to us.  Bowl Tripol was slow and tedious. About 35 pieces/hr. This considering we had created a machine that could B/T inexpensive lines at about 300 pieces/hr.  Upstairs, Eldo's were given a final polish with a softer buffing wheel, inspected, stamped, and put into stock. "The Emperor and the early Eldorado are the same pipe --just different stamping. The Eldorado was the top of the line in the regular retail production. The Emperor was top of the line in the coupon pipe line up. Fills can be found in both lines--usually quite small and usually only one or two."

From the Timeline:  
                                                                                         Start      Stop          Notes
Eldorado smooth, natural finish carnauba wax                            1956     1966 After a few years in inventory the wax would dull
Eldorado smooth, natural finish clear lacquer                               1966     1978 Lacquer extended shelf life
Eldorado carved red lacquered                                                  1976      1978
Eldorado Rustic first sandblast finish dark lacquered                      1978      ??
Eldorado rustic second sandblast finish red hightlights lacquered      ???      1989 Sold from inventory till 1992 or so
Eldorado smooth red laquer finish                                                1978      1989 Sold from inventory till 1992 or so

I'll go first:
Eldorado Natural finish carnauba wax 81
pwoodard

Thanks for the information.  That is a great looking 81.
vwdeano

Red Eldorado 49

Couldn't find the "after" pics, but this is my 49 before I re-clocked the stem...

Smokes nice after cleanup, but there was a distinct M79 "ghost" that stayed around for a longish while, LOL.







A bit "shinier" than the earlier ones, but she's still a nice looker.
JoeMan

Thanks for adding the history along with the post, Spade.  Nice touch.

Amazing flock of birds on that 81!!

I will pop my 3 Eldos up tonight.
Oldredbeard

I didn't know they made a natural finish, or blond Eldorado until the 2014 factory tour. As soon as I saw one there, I had to have one. This was my first.



Then I found this 81.



However, the first Eldo's I ever got a hold of were these 2 from Joe.



Then I got this later model 81.



Then this 65.



I also have this one that someone made a 65 before I got it, and I cleaned the rim up to make it look right.

Spadefan

Re: Red Eldorado 49

vwdeano wrote:
Couldn't find the "after" pics, but this is my 49 before I re-clocked the stem...

Smokes nice after cleanup, but there was a distinct M79 "ghost" that stayed around for a longish while, LOL.







A bit "shinier" than the earlier ones, but she's still a nice looker.


Thats a good looking Eldo
Spadefan

Oldredbeard wrote:
I didn't know they made a natural finish, or blond Eldorado until the 2014 factory tour. As soon as I saw one there, I had to have one. This was my first.



Then I found this 81.



However, the first Eldo's I ever got a hold of were these 2 from Joe.



Then I got this later model 81.



Then this 65.



I also have this one that someone made a 65 before I got it, and I cleaned the rim up to make it look right.



Great collection of Eldo's.
Especially that early natural finish 81.
pipesbywhitney



This was my all-time best Eldorado and that is its original stem. Went home to Piney Creek with Tom Douglas after last year's annual meeting of the Florida Pipe Club at Uncle Rich's Plantation.
C.E. Purdy

pipesbywhitney wrote:


This was my all-time best Eldorado and that is its original stem. Went home to Piney Creek with Tom Douglas after last year's annual meeting of the Florida Pipe Club at Uncle Rich's Plantation.


And then I played on Tom's generous nature and talked him out of it! Shocked  I'll try to get a pic of all my Eldos up soon.
JoeMan

That Lucite stem is ajusto and original from the factory?
pipesbywhitney

JoeMan wrote:
That Lucite stem is ajusto and original from the factory?


Not on that Eldorado that Carl now has ... it is a push-style acrylic stem that had the tenon broken off in the shank when I got it ... repaired it an it takes a very good eye to tell it was ever broken. Dave
JoeMan

I really like the look of it.
Thelonious Monkfish

pipesbywhitney wrote:


This was my all-time best Eldorado and that is its original stem. Went home to Piney Creek with Tom Douglas after last year's annual meeting of the Florida Pipe Club at Uncle Rich's Plantation.


Are there more like this? That's a great looking pipe.
C.E. Purdy

pipesbywhitney wrote:
JoeMan wrote:
That Lucite stem is ajusto and original from the factory?


Not on that Eldorado that Carl now has ... it is a push-style acrylic stem that had the tenon broken off in the shank when I got it ... repaired it an it takes a very good eye to tell it was ever broken. Dave


Repaired!? Shocked  It must take a damn good eye, cause I cant see it!
pipesbywhitney

C.E. Purdy wrote:
pipesbywhitney wrote:
JoeMan wrote:
That Lucite stem is ajusto and original from the factory?


Not on that Eldorado that Carl now has ... it is a push-style acrylic stem that had the tenon broken off in the shank when I got it ... repaired it an it takes a very good eye to tell it was ever broken. Dave


Repaired!? Shocked  It must take a damn good eye, cause I cant see it!


Ted couldn't see it either, but I did put the tenon back on the stem ... just a lucky go ... I got the pipe in a bunch of old pipes that were broken up, etc. Great find!

Tom didn't know if any others of these had been made or not. It may be a one-of-a-kind and it is a beauty. Glad it found a good home! Dave
JoeMan

My humble trio...

vwdeano

Those are sweeeeet, Joe!
pwoodard

Great looking group Joe.
kyrob

My one Eldorado, a 36.  One of the top 5 smokers I have, and what led me to this forum.

Oldredbeard

JoeMan wrote:
My humble trio...



Good looking pipe Joe.

kyrob wrote:
My one Eldorado, a 36.  One of the top 5 smokers I have, and what led me to this forum.



That's a very nice looking one also sir. Isn't it neat how something like that can lead you to such a great group of people.
vwdeano

kyrob wrote:
My one Eldorado, a 36.  One of the top 5 smokers I have, and what led me to this forum.



I'm a sucker for the 36s, myself...  Dandy looking pipe!
Spadefan

pipesbywhitney wrote:


Looks sandblasted in the picture.  Is it?
Spadefan

JoeMan wrote:
My humble trio...


Those are really nice especially that sandblast
Spadefan

kyrob wrote:
My one Eldorado, a 36.  One of the top 5 smokers I have, and what led me to this forum.



Now thats a classy pipe.  Really like that sandblast.
Dave G

Beautiful pipes guys.

Thanks for the information. Great post.
Spadefan

Eldo 65 Original Sandblast
Epsilon2

Very nice all of them  but the first El Dora do took  my  heart! Very Happy [/u]
C.E. Purdy

The Eldorado line is my favorite!  The line had some of the best briar, and offered many finishes.  The sandblast would be my favorite of those finishes.  I don't have any blonde, but still looking Wink


C.E. Purdy

Spadefan wrote:
pipesbywhitney wrote:


Looks sandblasted in the picture.  Is it?


Yep!
Spadefan

C.E. Purdy wrote:
The Eldorado line is my favorite!  The line had some of the best briar, and offered many finishes.  The sandblast would be my favorite of those finishes.  I don't have any blonde, but still looking Wink


Carl, those are beautiful!  Sandblast is my favorite too, especially the second sandblast finish with its bright red highlights.

I thought your 82 was a blonde.  Both of the early natural finish Eldos were stained only with oil.  The earliest was then carnauba waxed and the next was lacquered instead of waxed.  Your 82 sure looks like a oil stained Eldo.  Can't tell from the picture whether the finish was lacquered.  What does it look like in hand?
JoeMan

I thought the same...looks natural / blonde, like an Emperor.
C.E. Purdy

Spadefan wrote:
C.E. Purdy wrote:
The Eldorado line is my favorite!  The line had some of the best briar, and offered many finishes.  The sandblast would be my favorite of those finishes.  I don't have any blonde, but still looking Wink


Carl, those are beautiful!  Sandblast is my favorite too, especially the second sandblast finish with its bright red highlights.

I thought your 82 was a blonde.  Both of the early natural finish Eldos were stained only with oil.  The earliest was then carnauba waxed and the next was lacquered instead of waxed.  Your 82 sure looks like a oil stained Eldo.  Can't tell from the picture whether the finish was lacquered.  What does it look like in hand?


The one you are referring to is actually an 83.  It does look like its straight in the photo but its bent.  As far as blonde vs. natural goes, this has been what I've had in hand.  

The 83 in the photo has no stain that I can detect, and no lacquer.  (Maybe oil stained? I just don't have enough experience with it to know for sure) Waxed.

And I have also had what I refer to as blonde that had a slight reddish stain (just enough to highlight the grain) and a lacquer finish.  

Could be semantics. However I just recently got some Viscounts (old) that have what I would call an oil stain under wax (no lacquer).  The grain has more contrast than a natural (emperor) but no real color change.

Did the waters just get muddier?
ozark southpaw

The 83 looks blonde to me. They can be hard to identify sometimes because they will (as do the Emperors) darken with use and handling.
 I have seen a few Viscounts that could almost pass as blonde but they were stained.

Nice Eldorados gents !
WayneD

Shoot. Boy. Howdy! You fellers have some nice Eldorado pipes. I just snagged this au naturel, shape stamped, 69 Eldorado off of eBay last week for $8.14. I was surprised it went so cheap. Maybe it was the gaping button wound that skeered the other bidders away. I got it in the mail Tuesday and ran it through the the hand wringer. Some lovely grain and a couple of very small fills.
Spadefan

WayneD wrote:
Shoot. Boy. Howdy! You fellers have some nice Eldorado pipes. I just snagged this au naturel, shape stamped, 69 Eldorado off of eBay last week for $8.14. I was surprised it went so cheap. Maybe it was the gaping button wound that skeered the other bidders away. I got it in the mail Tuesday and ran it through the the hand wringer. Some lovely grain and a couple of very small fills.


Great find
Love that grain
Oldredbeard

Spadefan wrote:
WayneD wrote:
Shoot. Boy. Howdy! You fellers have some nice Eldorado pipes. I just snagged this au naturel, shape stamped, 69 Eldorado off of eBay last week for $8.14. I was surprised it went so cheap. Maybe it was the gaping button wound that skeered the other bidders away. I got it in the mail Tuesday and ran it through the the hand wringer. Some lovely grain and a couple of very small fills.


Great find
Love that grain


+1 that's a really 69, congrats sir.
JoeMan

Another late entry, since I just finished it up last night.  Came complete with a snapped shank, and a very short stem...since the smoker must've chewed off the button and carved a new one.  I cut down a new stem I'd bought from the factory maybe 3 years ago, and polished it all up.  You're looking at a tiny pit which I'm sure had been filled and fallen out over the years; I left it as is.  I'm showing it's best side, where all the birds live.  Smile

Oldredbeard

JoeMan wrote:
Another late entry, since I just finished it up last night.  Came complete with a snapped shank, and a very short stem...since the smoker must've chewed off the button and carved a new one.  I cut down a new stem I'd bought from the factory maybe 3 years ago, and polished it all up.  You're looking at a tiny pit which I'm sure had been filled and fallen out over the years; I left it as is.  I'm showing it's best side, where all the birds live.  Smile



That's a good looking pipe Joe, congrats on some fine work.
WayneD

Thats a real looker, Joe. Nice work.
Spadefan

JoeMan wrote:
Another late entry, since I just finished it up last night.  Came complete with a snapped shank, and a very short stem...since the smoker must've chewed off the button and carved a new one.  I cut down a new stem I'd bought from the factory maybe 3 years ago, and polished it all up.  You're looking at a tiny pit which I'm sure had been filled and fallen out over the years; I left it as is.  I'm showing it's best side, where all the birds live.  Smile



Pretty one
I think the lighter stained pipes look better with pits rather than pink fills anyway.
Spadefan

Eldorado 81 carved
Oldredbeard

Spadefan wrote:
Eldorado 81 carved


As far as rustication goes, that's my favorite on the Eldo's.
WayneD

Spadefan wrote:
Eldorado 81 carved


Good looking 81. Nice close up pic of the rustication/color..............now I see how they are done.
Dave G

Spadefan

Dave G wrote:


Really nice
Dont recall ever seeing an Eldorado box.
Oldredbeard

Dave G wrote:


Spadefan

C.E. Purdy

ozark southpaw wrote:
The 83 looks blonde to me. They can be hard to identify sometimes because they will (as do the Emperors) darken with use and handling.
 I have seen a few Viscounts that could almost pass as blonde but they were stained.

Nice Eldorados gents !

Ed,
Do you know what kind of oil was used?  And how it was applied? Until this thread I never had heard of Sparta using oil of any kind. But I really like the idea! Very Happy
ozark southpaw

C.E. Purdy wrote:
ozark southpaw wrote:
The 83 looks blonde to me. They can be hard to identify sometimes because they will (as do the Emperors) darken with use and handling.
 I have seen a few Viscounts that could almost pass as blonde but they were stained.

Nice Eldorados gents !

Ed,
Do you know what kind of oil was used?  And how it was applied? Until this thread I never had heard of Sparta using oil of any kind. But I really like the idea! Very Happy


Don't have a clue Carl. Maybe Tom can answer that question--if he hasn't already--somewhere. Can't remember.
Spadefan

C.E. Purdy wrote:
ozark southpaw wrote:
The 83 looks blonde to me. They can be hard to identify sometimes because they will (as do the Emperors) darken with use and handling.
 I have seen a few Viscounts that could almost pass as blonde but they were stained.

Nice Eldorados gents !

Ed,
Do you know what kind of oil was used?  And how it was applied? Until this thread I never had heard of Sparta using oil of any kind. But I really like the idea! Very Happy


The Emperor shape chart info does not mention the type of oil only that it was used to stain the bowl. See the last post of the following thread.
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/about8615.html&highlight=

The question about the leather wheel was prompted by this thread:
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=253&start=0
C.E. Purdy

Spadefan wrote:
C.E. Purdy wrote:
ozark southpaw wrote:
The 83 looks blonde to me. They can be hard to identify sometimes because they will (as do the Emperors) darken with use and handling.
 I have seen a few Viscounts that could almost pass as blonde but they were stained.

Nice Eldorados gents !

Ed,
Do you know what kind of oil was used?  And how it was applied? Until this thread I never had heard of Sparta using oil of any kind. But I really like the idea! Very Happy


The Emperor shape chart info does not mention the type of oil only that it was used to stain the bowl. See the last post of the following thread.
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/about8615.html&highlight=

The question about the leather wheel was prompted by this thread:
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=253&start=0


Thanks Gerald!

They mention coloring the pipe by rubbing it on the face while smoking it.  If memory serves I think Dave W mentioned that the oil from the face is similar to shark oil?  Dave?
pipesbywhitney

C.E. Purdy wrote:
Spadefan wrote:
C.E. Purdy wrote:
ozark southpaw wrote:
The 83 looks blonde to me. They can be hard to identify sometimes because they will (as do the Emperors) darken with use and handling.
 I have seen a few Viscounts that could almost pass as blonde but they were stained.

Nice Eldorados gents !

Ed,
Do you know what kind of oil was used?  And how it was applied? Until this thread I never had heard of Sparta using oil of any kind. But I really like the idea! Very Happy


The Emperor shape chart info does not mention the type of oil only that it was used to stain the bowl. See the last post of the following thread.
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/about8615.html&highlight=

The question about the leather wheel was prompted by this thread:
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=253&start=0


Thanks Gerald!

They mention coloring the pipe by rubbing it on the face while smoking it.  If memory serves I think Dave W mentioned that the oil from the face is similar to shark oil?  Dave?


Yeah, I've used the wax from my face, particularly that generated by the two larger glands on the sides of our nose, to wax pipes and stems for years. It is biologically the same as shark liver oil I have been told, is certainly non-toxic, and does a wonderful job of helping keep a nice finish on a pipe bringing out the graining, etc. Dave
voodoo101

Dave I do the same thing.
C.E. Purdy

pipesbywhitney wrote:
C.E. Purdy wrote:
Spadefan wrote:
C.E. Purdy wrote:
ozark southpaw wrote:
The 83 looks blonde to me. They can be hard to identify sometimes because they will (as do the Emperors) darken with use and handling.
 I have seen a few Viscounts that could almost pass as blonde but they were stained.

Nice Eldorados gents !

Ed,
Do you know what kind of oil was used?  And how it was applied? Until this thread I never had heard of Sparta using oil of any kind. But I really like the idea! Very Happy


The Emperor shape chart info does not mention the type of oil only that it was used to stain the bowl. See the last post of the following thread.
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/about8615.html&highlight=

The question about the leather wheel was prompted by this thread:
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=253&start=0


Thanks Gerald!

They mention coloring the pipe by rubbing it on the face while smoking it.  If memory serves I think Dave W mentioned that the oil from the face is similar to shark oil?  Dave?


Yeah, I've used the wax from my face, particularly that generated by the two larger glands on the sides of our nose, to wax pipes and stems for years. It is biologically the same as shark liver oil I have been told, is certainly non-toxic, and does a wonderful job of helping keep a nice finish on a pipe bringing out the graining, etc. Dave


I forgot about the liver part, but got the shark right!  

I'm thinking that if you buffed some kind of oil into the briar, perhaps with a leather buffing wheel, you would have a heck of a nice base for laying on carnauba wax.  Might have to play with that one day.
pipesbywhitney

C.E. Purdy wrote:
pipesbywhitney wrote:
C.E. Purdy wrote:
Spadefan wrote:
C.E. Purdy wrote:
ozark southpaw wrote:
The 83 looks blonde to me. They can be hard to identify sometimes because they will (as do the Emperors) darken with use and handling.
 I have seen a few Viscounts that could almost pass as blonde but they were stained.

Nice Eldorados gents !

Ed,
Do you know what kind of oil was used?  And how it was applied? Until this thread I never had heard of Sparta using oil of any kind. But I really like the idea! Very Happy


The Emperor shape chart info does not mention the type of oil only that it was used to stain the bowl. See the last post of the following thread.
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/about8615.html&highlight=

The question about the leather wheel was prompted by this thread:
http://drgrabows.myfreeforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=253&start=0


Thanks Gerald!

They mention coloring the pipe by rubbing it on the face while smoking it.  If memory serves I think Dave W mentioned that the oil from the face is similar to shark oil?  Dave?


Yeah, I've used the wax from my face, particularly that generated by the two larger glands on the sides of our nose, to wax pipes and stems for years. It is biologically the same as shark liver oil I have been told, is certainly non-toxic, and does a wonderful job of helping keep a nice finish on a pipe bringing out the graining, etc. Dave


I forgot about the liver part, but got the shark right!  

I'm thinking that if you buffed some kind of oil into the briar, perhaps with a leather buffing wheel, you would have a heck of a nice base for laying on carnauba wax.  Might have to play with that one day.


You've got to remember that a drop of oil will spread and cover the world, so when I am oiling a briar pipe I simply put a light dabbing of olive oil on my finger tip - no drops - and then rub it very sparingly all over the wood. This brings out the grain and after sitting a while I apply some carnuaba wax to it with a Dremel and then spread it around evenly with a one-inch Dremel buffer running about 2000 rpm. After that I simply hand rub it out to a nice surface with a piece of old bath towel. Too much oil and the surface of the wood gets a matt finish ... so remember to go very lightly on the oil ... Dave
Troy_nov1965

I only have two El Dorados but they are doozies

A rare 40 Continental



A nice 69


Spadefan

Really nice especially that Eldo 40
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