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Spadefan

Lets see your Grabow 82's

Lots of pipe makers made squat bulldogs but I think Grabow got this classic shape just right.

Lets see your Grabow 82's

I'll go first:

Sculptura
ozark southpaw

I think this is my only example. Viscount. I took it off of the Skyliner--replaced it with a 39. Gotta give it a quick buff and move it upstairs.


JoeMan

My only 3, all Golden Duke.

ted

OK..


Commodore ..shape stamped
Viscount.. really old
Eldorado.. shape stamped..

td
JoeMan

Tom, that's a lovely tri-fecta you have there.
Gary Balestrieri Jr

I don't have any 82's!  I'm working on 81's now,  but those could be next!!   Very Happy   You guys have great examples!  Looking good!
Gary
Spadefan

ted wrote:
OK..


Commodore ..shape stamped
Viscount.. really old
Eldorado.. shape stamped..

td


Great looking pipes Tom

How do you distinguish a really old Viscount from a more recent??
Troy_nov1965

Im afraid im out at the moment
Dave G



Oldredbeard

Troy_nov1965 wrote:
Im afraid im out at the moment


Me too Troy, I don't think I've ever had one.

You fellows have some very nice looking one's posted, thanks for the PAD attack. Laughing
WayneD

Nice looking pipes, gentlemen. Very nice indeed. I do not have any 82's. Not sure why.
Spadefan

Golden Duke
Spadefan

Starfire
JoeMan

Nice ones, Gerald.  that SF is chunky!
Spadefan

JoeMan wrote:
Nice ones, Gerald.  that SF is chunky!


Thanks

Yes not all 82's have the same shape exactly.  My guess is over the years forms wore out and were built up or replaced making difference in shapes.  In addition I would guess that some bowls needed more sanding to remove surface flaws.  The Sculptura to start this thread has a much smaller bowl than my other 82s.
Spadefan

Viscount
Spadefan

Viscount

Spadefan

Westbrook

ted

JoeMan wrote:
Nice ones, Gerald.  that SF is chunky!


That Starfire has the 1573 stem.  That stem was for paper filter versions.

It should have a 14 1/4 75.. Look back at the difference..  

td
Spadefan

ted wrote:
JoeMan wrote:
Nice ones, Gerald.  that SF is chunky!


That Starfire has the 1573 stem.  That stem was for paper filter versions.

It should have a 14 1/4 75.. Look back at the difference..  

td


The Starfire has a regular screw in stem.  Here's a pic of the shank end.  The stem is the same style as on the Belvedere, also a screw-in.  



So the stem style was large enough to accommodate a filter push style tenon, the kind used on Golden Duke's like Joe's 82's.  Do I have that right?

What does 14 1/4 75 mean?
ted

Spadefan wrote:
ted wrote:
JoeMan wrote:
Nice ones, Gerald.  that SF is chunky!


That Starfire has the 1573 stem.  That stem was for paper filter versions.

It should have a 14 1/4 75.. Look back at the difference..  

td


The Starfire has a regular screw in stem.  Here's a pic of the shank end.  The stem is the same style as on the Belvedere, also a screw-in.  



So the stem style was large enough to accommodate a filter push style tenon, the kind used on Golden Duke's like Joe's 82's.  Do I have that right?

What does 14 1/4 75 mean?


14 1/4 mm X75 mm.  
The difference is the length of the "barrel". The 1573 (for paper) is longer than the 14 1/4 75 used for screw stems.
Notice the difference between my 82's and Joe's..  td
Spadefan

ted wrote:
14 1/4 mm X75 mm.  
The difference is the length of the "barrel". The 1573 (for paper) is longer than the 14 1/4 75 used for screw stems.
Notice the difference between my 82's and Joe's..  td


Good info Tom, thanks.
Spadefan

Belvedere

Spadefan

Commodore

JoeMan

ted wrote:
14 1/4 mm X75 mm.  
The difference is the length of the "barrel". The 1573 (for paper) is longer than the 14 1/4 75 used for screw stems.
Notice the difference between my 82's and Joe's..  td


Tom...just noticed this as well.  While Gerald's Starfire does have the longer barrel which allowed for the filter as you pointed out...it's also the "tapered" saddle which gets quite fat in the saddle towards the barrel...whereas my Golden 82s are essentially "flat" saddles from the bit to the barrel.  Now...I just looked at my 3 Golden Duke 83's...and those all have the longer filtered barrel, but with the fatter tapered saddle. Do you recall why the factory used these 2 different filtered saddle stems for 82/83?

My Golden vs. Spades Starfire for comparison:


Also noticed that Spade's Belvedere 82 has the longer barrel with fat tapered saddle as well; just looked at my Belveere 83, and it does as well.  Perhaps all the Belvedere 82/83 had longer barrel / fat tapered saddle?

I used to have smooth and wire carved Starfire 82's...they had the short barrel.  I don't recall seeing one like Spade's got.  

Don't mean to get discombobulated over all this...but since you pointed that out about his Starfire...I'm still seeing Grabow differences that I've not given a lot of thought to before.  Shocked
Spadefan

ted wrote:
OK..



Viscount.. really old


td


Thought Id bump this thread again.  Good chance to learn from a master.

TD, What makes a really old Viscount recognizable?
ted

Spadie, The 82 and the 83 Viscount rustics had to be owned by the same smoker.

Old. Yep, like me,  well used and showing some real wear in places.
Both pipes are worn flat on top and the detail of the carving on the sides and front has been worn smooth.
Both these have seen many a pocket and many a bowl well before I got them. td
Spadefan

ted wrote:
Spadie, The 82 and the 83 Viscount rustics had to be owned by the same smoker.

Old. Yep, like me,  well used and showing some real wear in places.
Both pipes are worn flat on top and the detail of the carving on the sides and front has been worn smooth.
Both these have seen many a pocket and many a bowl well before I got them. td


Thanks
Ive got a few of those too
Steveaux

Royals.

Oldredbeard

I like the newer style without the line around the bowl. I have a six 83's like that.
Steveaux

Oldredbeard wrote:
I like the newer style without the line around the bowl. I have a six 83's like that.


If the taper carried around to the bowl/shank joint, I'd say they need the bead (think 80). But with the right angle transition, yes, they look better without it.
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