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ahgar
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: dang dang dang omega  Reply with quote

Okay so I get up on friday and go out for a morning bowl of rum and maple in my favorite and only omega(btw rum and maple tastes like neither to me but I still like it). After a great smoke and a couple of honey-dos I get around to cleaning my pipe, no problem, put the stem back in and huge problem, about 3/8th inch of my stem just broke off. I'm sick. I know I can get another from grabow no problem but well dang. Just thought I'd vent a little and figured you guys would understand. My wife was less than sympathetic when she reminded me I have 25 pipes to choose from. She doesn't understand. Have a good day guys I'm gonna go sull (like a pout but with more bottom lip). Ahgar - the omegaless guy
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate it when that happens!! I feel for ya!!
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Broke OMEGA Reply with quote

Look sorta like this one?



Something happens in that OMEGA joint. I haven't figured it out, but this wasn't my first fractured stem. Maybe it is the metal to ABS contact; maybe it is the friction fit.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man that is uncanny. That is exactly how and where mine broke. I guess I better order a couple of stems that way I'll have a spare. Maybe we should volunteer our services as testers to dr grabow to help solve this problem. Looks like it occurs at the transition in the stem where the metal and wood meet. Don't know but still annoyed. Now excuse me as I resume sulling.

Btw called the factory when this happened and the customer service was outstanding, meant to remember her name but of course I forgot. She did have an accent though.
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: Broke OMEGA Reply with quote

drbridges wrote:
Look sorta like this one?

Something happens in that OMEGA joint. I haven't figured it out, but this wasn't my first fractured stem. Maybe it is the metal to ABS contact; maybe it is the friction fit.


I think this gets back to a particular "batch" of ABS stems.  I think for a bit they had some "bad" ABS castings and I suspect it was during the later part of the Lane era.  OR at least this is my theory based on my broken Savoy stem and several pipes with broken stems that I received in multiple pipe auctions.  There's something up with them because they break way TOO EASY, almost seeming to have an "internal casting flaw" that led to it.

In the case of the Omegas, did the military joint/metal perhaps "score" the stem every so slightly, and the break start along that score, somewhat like scoring glass before you break it?  The older Omegas with vulcanite bits don;t seem to do this.  --RJ--
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been blaming the metal to ABS contact for these breaks, but now I'm working on a new hypothesis. The briar shank swells with moisture, and the ABS can't handle the compression.
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has any one tried gluing the ABS stems back together? Epoxy? Barry,you think the Plastex would make a strong enough repair? I've never tried it for this type of break. I've used JB Weld successfully on broken vulcanite stems.
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drbridges wrote:
I've been blaming the metal to ABS contact for these breaks, but now I'm working on a new hypothesis. The briar shank swells with moisture, and the ABS can't handle the compression.


I only have a couple of Omegas, and only one I actually smoke regularly -- as you know, the one you modified and gifted to me.  I have been puzzled by the stem breaking at the joint business, as from my experience, the joint design is a good one and I've never had an inkling of an overly tight fit, or had any problem removing the stem (older pipe, vulcanite stem, though).  As a matter of fact, I thought the military joint design was suppose to be superior in that regard?

One more thing to ask/consider.  In these cases of the stem breaking at that point with an ABS stem: Could the pipe have been dropped sometime prior to the breaking (days, months, years) and it left an undetected hairline crack?  --RJ--
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac:
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Could the pipe have been dropped sometime prior to the breaking (days, months, years) and it left an undetected hairline crack?


In my case, yep that is a possibility. I believe I have had 3 OMEGA stems break like this. With the second, the broken piece stuck in the pipe, and when I attempted to remove it, the briar shank fractured. That one went into the trash. When the third one happened, I put the pipe in the freezer before I attempted to remove the broken stem.

When they go, they go real easy, not like they're being twisted and stressed, but just like they want to break, or they're already broken.  Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well decided I'd sulled enough and finally took a good look at my omega shank. It looks like on mine there is a thin ridge on the inside where the band meets the wood. I could see how over several heat/cool cycles that the thin ridge could score the mouthpiece and weaken it. That would also explain why it was a clean break, kind of looked like it was cut with a pipe cutter(no pun intended). I think my plan, after a little more sulling, is to take a round file and dress down the ridge and see what happens. Anybody tried this????? Ahgar

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