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Sir Duke Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: Oh wait... |
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ummm. I smoke Like a weasel sucking egg. ted is right. I aint never burned through the botton.
He who piths through screen makes stinky welcome mat.
| Quote: | Those of us that smoke like "a weasel sucking eggs" could burn through that "pith" instantly. The extension of the shank (into the bowl) protects the pith and slows "burn out".
| good point.
I just read* about how Native Americans made pipe stems from branches. On method was to burn through the pith with a hot iron stick/rod.
I wonder how this would work for boring the tobacco chamber of a cob?
Would it just promote faste burn out?
The Pipe Book implied that, before being Missouri Meerschaums, they were sometimes called "Barnyard Briar". We (i do anyway) often give all the credit to H Tibbes, but it was John Schranke who presented them to Tibbes who owned a lathe. The rest is history.
"Never hot, and refreshingly Piquant,"
TM
aka Sir Duke. aka child of the corn
*The Pipe Book william Goldring.
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drbridges Search Master

Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 1381
Location: Bryan Texas
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, well I feel there must be a better way to prevent bottom burnout. Breaking in the cob isn't as objectionable as breaking in the hardwood stem in the bottom of the bowl. And it is burned back to the cob in most of my broke in cob pipes.
MM could at least cut the protruding shank at a longer bevel, so you don't have to burn away the top half of the shank.
BTW, for some unknown reason the Dr. Bridges Mac has been the easiest cob break in I've experienced, ever. May have something to do with 3 inches of loose tobacco filter between me and the ember. |
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GrabowGuy Golden Duke

Joined: 21 Aug 2008 Posts: 82
Location: Phila, PA. USA.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Not a fan of cobs!
I like Meers though. _________________ God Wants Spiritual Fruit, Not Religious Nuts! |
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Texhealer Silver Duke

Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 44
Location: The garden spot of West Texas
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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This may be a little off topic but here goes, I have been collecting tools and supplies over the last couple of years to hopefully start making a few pipes.
Consequently I have also been reading a LOT about pipe making. A lot of discussion and effort is given to the importance of precise drilling, the exactness of the mortice and tennon fit and making sure the tennon and airway meet without the slightist gap lest there be gurgling, airflow constriction, and all sorts of horrors. And everyone seems to pretty much agree that if it's not all just perfect then it's firewood....
Then I light up a cob or a Grabow without the filter and wonder.....  _________________ Never try to teach a pig to sing, It won't work...and it annoys the pig. |
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drbridges Search Master

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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Then I light up a cob or a Grabow without the filter and wonder.... |
Curiosity is the beginning of wisdom.
Some may disagree with you, but I am solidly in your corner on this. If you ever figure out what makes a pipe gurgle, AND can predict which ones will do it, let me know.
So far the only certainty is tampon filter pipes don't (if there is a dry filter in place). |
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ted "Old Timer"

Joined: 23 Jun 2008 Posts: 1171
Location: NC'
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Healer and Dr.B...During my career at Grabow, I made or oversaw the making of over 50 million pipes. On my first day in the office in 1966, Paul Fish, President, gave me a Silver Duke and a Starfire, and I knew I was supposed to learn to smoke them. I did, and probably smoked thousands of pipes during my time.
The Starfire gurgled. Of course, the SD didn't. I asked Mr. Fish, and his answer has stuck with me for 40 years....Here it is paraphrased.
Consumers expect the airhole to be bored "perfectly" into the bottom of the bowl. This "bottom" bore will gurgle, always. An airhole needs to be bored slightly higher than the bowl bottom for a comfortable smoke. Moisture needs to have a place to collect rather than coming back out of the bowl into the shank and stem. The paper filter compensates in many pipes.
This is not what the "sophisticated" pipe smoker wants to hear, but it sure has worked for me. I think that's why the cob is so "gurgle-proof" with or without filter.
Today I (and I'm sure Paul ) will admit that "wet"tobacco has a bearing.
I firmly, and always believe that a correct airhole bore is slightly high. It's so hard to convince the smokers of that, that I've been hesitant to mention it. Start another Civil War probably.
Anyway...My thoughts and remembrances.....ted
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ozark southpaw Golden Duke

Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 1376
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I think you are probably right Ted.Most pipes with stingers that I have smoked seem to gurgle more. the filtered Dukes dont seem to gurgle much unless the filter gets soaked,usually because the tobacco is to moist. I have noticed that the grabows are not drilled right at the bottom although they aint drilled way high either.I read on one forum where they were talking about making "mud" using wet cigar ashes to make a paste to build up the bottom of the bowls of pipes that were drilled high. I do open up the airhole in my pipes which semms to help make them drier smoking and easier to draw on. _________________ The only thing shorter than my memory is a certain part of my anatomy! |
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Gig Duke & Westbrook Man

Joined: 04 Jul 2008 Posts: 240
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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All pipes which I carve have a 4mm draught hole which gives a niice easy draw and I love Cob pipes  _________________ Regards
Gig aka "Duke, Westbrook & Omega Man"
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drbridges Search Master

Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 1381
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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I agree with ted, and OS. I might agree with Gig, except I can't convert 4mm into a standard inch equivalent.
I do use a drill on a tap wrench to standardize the airway on my pipes. Once I experimented and used a drill that was 1/32" larger, and it proved too much. Your personal packing and drawing style determines which airway diameter will please you. And whether you use an additional filter will also.
Smoke a Viking and a Pacer. The Pacer is the bent Viking. I find the Pacer more prone to gurgle, and I suspect it is because of the bent stem. Because of their shape bent pipes may concentrate moisture deep in the airway. |
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drbridges Search Master

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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Would it be feasible to improve a gurgling pipe with a low "bottom-of-the-bowl" airway by deepening the bowl?
I'm thinking of a conical sanding attachment on a rotary Dremel-like tool that could be used to lower the bottom of the bowl about 1/32" below the airway.
Of course cake would be partially removed, and new briar exposed, requiring a new break-in period.
Opinions?
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