 |
Dr. Grabow Pipes
"America's One and Only"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
LokoMac8
Tru-Grain
Joined: 19 May 2008
Posts: 985
Location: Heidenheimer, Texas
|
 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| BWThomas wrote: | Oh...if I were your next door neighbor, you'd probably have more space on those pipe racks.
BW |
Hmm . . . Maybe we better handle this through electronic and smail mail after all.
One of the hardest things for me is picking a starting point. What do we want to work on first? Whatever it is, it'll be slow, but I will be methodical until it finally gets done. Since some of the things you are working on are similar to some of the things I was doing, only lots better, I'll set aside some of my projects and prioritize our joint project. --RJ--
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
LokoMac8
Tru-Grain
Joined: 19 May 2008
Posts: 985
Location: Heidenheimer, Texas
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
| BWThomas wrote: | 
click image to see full size
Question: is this a c.1937 stamping? |
By the way, LOVE THE SHADOW EFFECT! Really adds the three dimensional effect and makes it more convincingly real.
Guess, even with sending some of that stamping info, I didn't actually answer your question. Actually, I was hoping DRB would answer it as he can keep track of the actual facts, details and dates better than I can. My feeling is that the 1937 catalog predates the DeLuxe with SHIELD stamping a bit, but I cannot say that for a fact. It very well could have been the very year it started. The DeLuxe also had -- and I believe it predated the stamped SHIELD -- an embedded metal circle, and then an embedded two metal "dots". I think the metal circle and the dots may have been very short lived. A 1941 magazine ad clearly shows the SHIELD, but I have no "evidence" of that nature that shows either the circle or dots. You can see why we have some difficulty in pinning things down. The cleaner is another way to "date" the pipe, but again, the "evidence" is lacking for exact dates. DRB's 1937 catalog shows at least two versions of the cleaner -- one which was probably obsolete by that time. Interestingly, no stamps or other markings are shown in the artists renderings -- too bad, as that would have been a BIG help.
All that being said, I THINK the SHIELD emblem could have started as early as 1938. This is sort of based on the cleaner design in the 1941 ad that shows a pipe with a shield and the same apparent cleaner design in a 1938 newspaper ad where no other details can be made out on the pipe itself. Logic says it probably changed about the same time, but it's inconclusive in fact.
I hesitate to even mention that in learning more about pipe making from the Sparta era has opened my eyes to many other possibilities in the eralier era which we know even less about, none of which make our "job" any easier. And that is, until parts are used up, whether it be aluminum, briar or whatever, they could continue to make pipes with bits and pieces for some time where two different cleaners, or trademarks, or even stampings could exist during the same time period, with an "obsolete" one popping up several years later than what we would have figured. For instance, I have a couple of what seem to be very late model Linkman pipes based on the simple block stampings and push stems that have stems with "propellers" that should have been obsolete years before. Something just doesn't jibe and it still has me scratching my head. --RJ-- |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BWThomas
Golden Duke
Joined: 12 Jul 2009
Posts: 450
Location: Leesburg, VA
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
| LokoMac8 wrote: |
One of the hardest things for me is picking a starting point. What do we want to work on first? Whatever it is, it'll be slow, but I will be methodical until it finally gets done. Since some of the things you are working on are similar to some of the things I was doing, only lots better, I'll set aside some of my projects and prioritize our joint project. --RJ-- |
I think the first thing I want to accomplish is recreating/duplicating the shape charts, so that we have examples of all the known Dr.G shapes. I have the '37 chart and the '81 chart. Are there others? I heard tell of a '61 chart.
I'd like to first build a complete reference showing the shapes and products manufactured during specific time periods, and include place of manufacture. After the shapes, add detail about stampings and stem construction.
_________________
BWThomas |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BWThomas
Golden Duke
Joined: 12 Jul 2009
Posts: 450
Location: Leesburg, VA
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:00 am Post subject: shape chart |
|
|
click to enlarge
Can anyone get me the dimensions of at least one of these pipes pictured here. I am wanting to illustrate them at full size on the charts.
Thanks,
BW
_________________
BWThomas |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheDuke
Golden Duke
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 297
Location: Klamath Falls,Ory-gun
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
I'm guessing that RJ can help with the dimensions of the 00A, since that's what he's clenching in his avatar! 
EM
_________________
I burn the PA fella in the red can! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LokoMac8
Tru-Grain
Joined: 19 May 2008
Posts: 985
Location: Heidenheimer, Texas
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: shape chart |
|
|
| BWThomas wrote: | | Can anyone get me the dimensions of at least one of these pipes pictured here. I am wanting to illustrate them at full size on the charts. |
My goodness those look NICE!!! Sparta could increase pipe sales to individuals by multitudes if they let you handle their illustrations and catalogues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Measuring around the curve, the 00A is roughly 12 inches long. Measuring as the crow flies, considering if it were a small crow and could fly from one end of the pipe to the other, then it is 11-1/4" from the heel of the bowl to the tip of the stem. Interesting to note, the number on the pipe should have been "9700A" if we held to standard, but for some reason, they only got the shape number part on MOST churchwardens. Like everything else, I possess an exception to the rule in the next shape.
11-5/8" from stem to stern, er, I mean, from the bowl to the end of the stem on my TRU-GRAIN #6014B (told you there was an exception!). It seems the churchwardens that survived into the later era were not only given four-digit number stamps, but shape numbered into related shapes.
My 03A measures about 12" also, either around the curve or straight end to end extremes.
My 02A measures about 11-7/8" along the curve.
To make things easier, though, it appears the STEMS on all four of my churchwardens measure right at NINE INCHES exactly. Hope this helps a "bit". --RJ-- |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BWThomas
Golden Duke
Joined: 12 Jul 2009
Posts: 450
Location: Leesburg, VA
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks RJ, that's a big help.
I'd love to do their illustrations. Be like a kid in a candy store handling and photographing all those pipes.
_________________
BWThomas |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
drbridges
Search Master
Joined: 19 May 2008
Posts: 1381
Location: Bryan Texas
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | I have the '37 chart and the '81 chart. Are there others? I heard tell of a '61 chart. |
There is also a 30-shape pocket catalog from circa 1947; a 30-shape catalog from circa 1961; a 69-shape catalog also including DG meerschaums circa 1964.
On my hard drive these exist only as multi-page jpeg files. Will take some time to consolidate them into single pdf for email. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BWThomas
Golden Duke
Joined: 12 Jul 2009
Posts: 450
Location: Leesburg, VA
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| drbridges wrote: | | Quote: | | I have the '37 chart and the '81 chart. Are there others? I heard tell of a '61 chart. |
There is also a 30-shape pocket catalog from circa 1947; a 30-shape catalog from circa 1961; a 69-shape catalog also including DG meerschaums circa 1964.
On my hard drive these exist only as multi-page jpeg files. Will take some time to consolidate them into single pdf for email. |
drb, I'd love to have them, but you needn't go to a lot of trouble. You can upload them here:
http://photobucket.com/DGCFpipestuff
the album is locked down so as not to get flooded with junk, I PMed the password to you. Anyone else that wants to contribute can get the password from me.
BW
_________________
BWThomas |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LokoMac8
Tru-Grain
Joined: 19 May 2008
Posts: 985
Location: Heidenheimer, Texas
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| drbridges wrote: | There is also a 30-shape pocket catalog from circa 1947; a 30-shape catalog from circa 1961; a 69-shape catalog also including DG meerschaums circa 1964.
On my hard drive these exist only as multi-page jpeg files. Will take some time to consolidate them into single pdf for email. |
I plan on sending Barry a DVD with all my shape chart scans up until about 1981, I think it is, this week. That may save you a little work. I have other shape chart/catalogs from about 1988 and 1992 or so that I have yet to scan all of yet as well. If and when I get those done (the shape charts in the newer ones are just small, black sillouettes, though) I will forward them on the Barry as well. I think once Barry gets some of this material he/we will be better able to communicate the actual needs and wants for his new projects. If he needs better scans of the materials I have, I can concentrate on those as well.
Anyway, I figured when Barry gets these things in hand, it might cut down on needless duplication of effort and some of that "reinventing the wheel" syndrome. --RJ--
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Join! (free) 
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
