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LokoMac8
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| BWThomas wrote: | | the album is locked down so as not to get flooded with junk, I PMed the password to you. Anyone else that wants to contribute can get the password from me. |
Well, Barry, I wanted you to have EVERYTHING I have on disk, but I could send some of this stuff off to you by this method as well so that you'd have several days head start. Of some of the things either DRB or I mentioned in the way of charts of certain dates, if you think there is anything in particular you are interested in seeing, just let me know and I will upload it to your site as I get time between doing other things today. The DVD you'll get will have the same thing, plus the individual pipe shapes "cut out", flipped, slanted, etc. that I was putting into my own master shape chart projects.
In doing this stuff, I basically divide it into two simple groups of Dr. Grabows -- OLD and NEW Grabows. OLD covers the Linkman/Chicago era and NEW covers the HL&T/Sparta era. Before I knew better, I had combined them all, but that made it too cumbersome and confusing, as except by accident, I finally learned that there was NO correlation in the Linkman and HL&T shape numbering schemes, nor in the actual design detail even in similar shapes. With all of TED's info, this line became much easier to "draw", so to speak.
Now as for the Linkman era, there are several very distinct groups of pipe shapes, especially in the very early Grabows. As the majority of shapes went nearly all the way through his era though, I still lump all them together and just note on the individual shapes what era they came from if they were new or different from the "normal" shapes. Of course, everyone has different ideas for organizing, but I just wanted to share with you where I had gotten after many bumps and bruises and false starts. --RJ--
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BWThomas
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| LokoMac8 wrote: | | BWThomas wrote: | | the album is locked down so as not to get flooded with junk, I PMed the password to you. Anyone else that wants to contribute can get the password from me. |
Well, Barry, I wanted you to have EVERYTHING I have on disk, but I could send some of this stuff off to you by this method as well so that you'd have several days head start. Of come of the things either DRB or I mentioned in the way of charts of certain dates, if you think there is anything in particular you are interested in seeing, just let me know and I will upload it to your site as I get time between doing other things today. --RJ-- |
I am mostly interested in seeing the basic charts right now to get an idea of the big picture. I do want to recreate the indivual charts as they were published, but also want to amass all this into a single publication. Initially, it will be hi-res PDF, but I am also trying to get a feel for the overall layout so I can create a timeline index for my own reference while I am working on this.
so...for now, if you have a chance....shape charts.I am still very interested in getting the DVD and seeing how you have cataloged the information. This will give me some insight as to how you and others will use the info.
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LokoMac8
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| BWThomas wrote: | | so...for now, if you have a chance....shape charts. |
I will look in my PMs for the code and start uploading the original chart scans to you. I take it you already have DRB's 1937 charts, so I will pick up from there in chronological order up until the last thing I have scanned.
Now, I have always just worked with JPEGs for several reasons, but I know other folks often work with PDFs and have their reasons for doing so. I have just scanned at a resolutuon or whatever that gave me reasonably sized files and would look good on the screen or in printing out 8-1/2 by 11 inch full-page "prints". Of course, when I started all this I was still at 640x480 screen resolution (now at 1280x800) and I was running out of harddrive storage space and memory capabilities. As time went on the storage and memory situation improved. Of course, I am still stuck in the PC mode, even though two out of three of my kids have MACs (which I bought, of course).
Armed with the above abundance of detail, Barry, what and how should I do my future scans? My scanning equipment is still the same antiquated one I have been using for a number of years, so size of scanning area is limited to about a legal size page or so. I just never have worked with PDFs, other than viewing them, because as far as I know (being the dumbass I am), I don't THINK I have a program to edit or manipulate them with. Now this comes from a man that quite doing OCR stuff several years ago because it was just easier to scan all text and save them as images! --RJ-- |
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BWThomas
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| LokoMac8 wrote: | | BWThomas wrote: | | so...for now, if you have a chance....shape charts. |
Now, I have always just worked with JPEGs for several reasons, but I know other folks often work with PDFs and have their reasons for doing so. I have just scanned at a resolutuon or whatever that gave me reasonably sized files and would look good on the screen or in printing out 8-1/2 by 11 inch full-page "prints". Of course, when I started all this I was still at 640x480 screen resolution (now at 1280x800) and I was running out of harddrive storage space and memory capabilities. As time went on the storage and memory situation improved. Of course, I am still stuck in the PC mode, even though two out of three of my kids have MACs (which I bought, of course).
Armed with the above abundance of detail, Barry, what and how should I do my future scans? My scanning equipment is still the same antiquated one I have been using for a number of years, so size of scanning area is limited to about a legal size page or so. I just never have worked with PDFs, other than viewing them, because as far as I know (being the dumbass I am), I don't THINK I have a program to edit or manipulate them with. Now this comes from a man that quite doing OCR stuff several years ago because it was just easier to scan all text and save them as images! --RJ-- |
JPEGs are fine. I use PDF sbecause I usually work with hi-res images and the 'High Quality' Setting within Adobe Acrobat allows what are normally very large files to be compressed to a size that can be emailed easily. Besides, you need a full version of Adobe Acrobat to create the PDFs. Acrobat reader is free, the full version costs about 200 bucks.
RESOLUTION, I usually work in a minimum of 300 pixels/inch. This works well for scans of old magazine articles or scans of brochures which were printed using older printer technology. The newer digital stuff is almost perfect....no dots, so I work in 600 to 1200 and sometimes higher resolutions when preparing these. And then again, it all depends on the final output. If the final product is going to be used for screen viewing , 72 to 150 pixels/inch is fine. But because I am preparing to print this stuff to full size charts, I'll work in the higher res range to ensure that I have some really nice crisp prints up to 24" x 36"
Bottom line is.... whatever you can give me! Don't overload your computer with a bunch of huge files trying to squeeze in pixels, I'm going to rework everything anyhow. The only thing that is really important to get the highest resolution scans on is actual photographs that you might have that you may want to have restored.....not magazine reprints, but actual old school photographs.
Confused?
BW
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LokoMac8
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| BWThomas wrote: | | JPEGs are fine. |
Well, that's good! Didn't want to shell out for the full-blown Adobe, although I am sure, given the time to play with it, I'd love it!
| BWThomas wrote: | | Bottom line is.... whatever you can give me! Don't overload your computer with a bunch of huge files trying to squeeze in pixels, I'm going to rework everything anyhow. The only thing that is really important to get the highest resolution scans on is actual photographs that you might have that you may want to have restored.....not magazine reprints, but actual old school photographs. |
If I have the time to do it, I'll give you whatever you want. I don't have to save all that stuff here anyway, once I pass it on to you. Consider what I send you a "sampler disk", good enough to see what it is you really want. One of my biggest fears all along has been that whatever I was doing today digitizing images, etc., would become obsolete in a matter of a few years. That especially seemed so a couple of years ago. Now it seems like things have slowed down a bit, but not much. My old "full-screen" 640x480 scans are now laughable and I suppose, before too long, my current standard 1280x800 scans will look like thumbnails! It even took me forever to finally decide on and standardize to JPEG format!
Anyway, I did upload several charts and things -- by now your head should be swimming in sugar plums and pipe images! I am happy to share these charts and info with you, and through you, others. I am no hoarder, even though these things were hard to come by and sometimes quite expensive.
Anyway, consider me as your "assistant" and order me around -- or at least direct me on how to proceed and on what and when. You might have to tell me how to do a few things, too, but I'm all for learning as that will help me with my scans of family photos and stuff that I am still trying to do.
| BWThomas wrote: | | Confused? |
ALWAYS! But I was that way BEFORE this! Too much information bouncing around in my cranium and too little bandwidth. I once had an old railroader say to me (jokingly I hope) that if they took my brain out and placed it on the edge of a razor blade, it'd look like a BB rolling down a four-laned highway! He followed that up with, "If they took your brain out and put it in a matchbox it would be like a BB rolling around inside a boxcar!" --RJ-- |
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BWThomas
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'm downloading everything now, this is some GREAT STUFF! Once I sort through this, I'm sure I'll have questions for you.
BW
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LokoMac8
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| BWThomas wrote: | | Once I sort through this, I'm sure I'll have questions for you. |
Well, DRB can make a stab at it, I can make up stuff up off the top of my head that almost sounds credible, and then TED can give you factual responses. We're all standing by . . . --RJ--
P.S. In other words, be sure and ask in the forum and not just ask me! Besides, I have to charge for answers. I used to have something printed up on the back of my business cards that went something like this:
Answers . . . . . $0.50
Answers requiring thought . . . . .$0.75
Answers that sound good . . . .$1.00
Correct answers . . . . . . $1.50
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ted
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| LokoMac8 wrote: | | BWThomas wrote: | | Once I sort through this, I'm sure I'll have questions for you. |
Well, DRB can make a stab at it, I can make up stuff up off the top of my head that almost sounds credible, and then TED can give you factual responses. We're all standing by . . . --RJ-- |
You guys are WAY over my head with the methods, but when it comes to the pipes, I'll help any way I can....ted |
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TheDuke
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Just read through the topic again and got all excited!  Any new stuff to show us BW?
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BWThomas
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| TheDuke wrote: | Just read through the topic again and got all excited! Any new stuff to show us BW?
EM |
I wish that I did. I would much rather be making pretty pictures of pipes than the stuff I've been bogged down with at the office. This is the busy season for us and even my 'own time' isn't my own time. I have a home office that is similarly equipt with graphic workstations as my daytime corporate office. I come home each day to rest a bit and get right back at it again until bedtime. I don't know when things will be slowing down at the office to the point where I can get back on the pipe stuff, but I'm not complaining.
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